I just read the post about this in the speedmapping pack, and was about to start mine. sucks. 

Awesome. 

Speeds made a map too.
http://speedq1.leveldesign.org/images/sm139_spd.jpg

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Awesome map, Speedy!

Excuse the poor looks of mine, I spent most of the time on the gameplay. Plus QuArK with Wine has a lot of annoying quirks.

This was a nice session. We should do it like this regularly. :) 

great pack :\ just wait for me next time, or i will shoot someone next time :| you bitches dont love me :\

http://trinca.quaddicted.com/temp/sm139.dz

two first runs

and spd second run fucking Spawns :\ 

Next weeks theme should be "Include Trinca". 

was nice. I even managed to die the first time. 

to whoever is taking the screenshots -- try running in 32-bit mode. The sky colors will look better. 

Fitzquake sometimes screws around with its resolution. I probably forgot to set it back to 32.

Btw. Why is lighting handled differently in Fitzquake (ostensibly also DP) and regular GLQuake-based engines: http://speeds.quaddicted.com/q1light.jpg 

just curious (i.e. top screenshot, bottom screenshot)? 

top - fitz
bottom - almost any other (in that case I used bengt`s)
no ID gamma used

AFAIK only fitz and DarkPlaces do nice overbright effect (not counting QW engines)
In other gl engines the light is like 50% range of what it should be :(

thx for comments demos are wellcome 

Spd
You can't expect too much contrast with
minlight 15 and a small 70 light 

Could you use a higher light value (not worldspawn I mean, but individual light ents) but a 'fade distance multiplier' value greater than 1 (i'm using an fgd file with that on worldcrafts 'smart edit' feature, cant remember the actual key name (anyone?)). I believe this would give a brighter inner light, but without the light spreading too far. 

yes I can. with inverse square fall off (= delay 2) its 100% bright in the center 

Btw. Why is lighting handled differently in Fitzquake (ostensibly also DP) and regular GLQuake-based engines

The original quake (software) engine used overbright lighting, which means the lightmap brightness can go up to 200%. So, light.exe creates BSP files with lightmaps that go up to 200%.

In glquake, since it was such a rush-job (I think carmack said he wrote it in a weekend) there is no overbright lighting, so every part of the lightmap that goes above 100% is flattened to equal 100%. This is why glquake looks just fine in darker rooms, but in bright areas the lighting looks very flat.

Fitzquake and darkplaces restore the overbright feature of the software renderer, so that lighting hot-spots will actually be as bright as intended. 

...and the same thing Trinca said :D 

God damn. Didn't know that. That's why GL looks so crap. 

It's always interesting (and devastating) to find out it was no placebo after all. I guess MHQuake uses "proper" lighting too as I always felt that engine to have the best look of the glquake engines. 

I've uploaded four FitzQuake 0.80 shots of the classic kjsp1 map. The first set of two shots show the map using original 8-bit textures, lighting and palette with basically no engine configs loaded. The first shot is without overbright lighting (gl_overbright 0) and the 2nd is with it enabled. Gamma is 1 in both cases.

http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/fitz_orig_ob0.jpg
http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/fitz_orig_ob1.jpg

The next set of two shots show the map using filtered tga textures (based off the originals), new lighting and idgamma palette (the latter being irrelevant here due to tgas, of course) with my std configs loaded. Again, the first shot is without overbright lighting and the 2nd is with it enabled. Gamma is 0.65 in both cases.

http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/fitz_tga_ob0.jpg
http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/fitz_tga_ob1.jpg

To me this shows terrible lighting saturation in the textures in both sets, which is also the expected result of the "overbright" lighting. The lighting is saturated already in the engine, which means that adjusting the monitor or other external tweaking is useless.

Maybe there's something wrong with my graphics card (Geforce3 Ti 200) or setup, but overbright lighting doesn't look very appealing to me. It instead reminds me of using the loudness button on HiFi equipment and claiming that the sound is then "better" ...

The above results are of course not FitzQuake specific; DarkPlaces and WinQuake has the same saturated look.