Not Quite When Predicted
but Skynet is finally here.
surveylLance ztateMent can be played on weaker engines such as WinQuake, but you will receive disappearing surfaces, packet overflows, and sudden sound cutoffs.
That's because the map is completely unvised, FFS!
The yelow version was vised.
The .zip folder for hc3 has been updated because it was VISed minutes ago.
Gameplay was fast and fun but the map isnt good in general. I think you should examine the classic maps of quake and Arcane Dimension maps more. Examine the size of certain areas, how much space the player for moving in the terrain, where are the enemies positioned, and how the lighting is set up. You are making progress Hex!
"The Map Isnt Good In General"
FifthElephant commented in a demo he sent to me of him testing the beta version of this map that there are no rooms over rooms, so that's one of the reasons why hc3 wasn't perfect for both him and you Naitelveni.
Can't we have screen captures, before downloading !?
@Naitelveni: I tried playing the demo, but I received errors about it. I wonder why.
@Barnak: I wish a screenshot of it must be made and shared on this func_msgboard thread.
Oh wait a minute, I had to download it from mediafire in that link you sent to me.
Screenshots Please !
Took Some Myself.
Here's A Screenshot:
I inaccurately denied that I did a screenshot, for that I did several of them for hc3.
I just took this one recently in response to your needs for the screenshot.
Screenshot link: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/hc3.png
Nice screenshots! ;)
I think you should examine the classic maps of quake and Arcane Dimension maps
The phrase "walk before you can run" might be relevant here. I'd recommend learning with the bread-and-butter stuff like id maps and czg's terra, before you go off trying to make the next ad_swampy.
Yeah, Czg (indeed).
So yeah, I think I can study maps by playing them (at least).
Another hexcalk release, and not surprisingly every single comment in this section is by hexcalk explaining some mistake or reiterating the meaning of some previous comment. But that's neither here nor there..
So, this map has some strengths hexcalk. I like this unique texture theme and ideas with the colours. The problem is the lighting is abysmal, entire sections appear completely whitewashed and it looks as if the map was compiled without light. This needs work.
Ok, so the combats have some exciting bits, I like picking up the grenade launcher and then blasting the hordes near it. Here is the problem, the majority of rooms have a tight entrance with all monsters facing it aggroing immediately. The monsters are stacked in rows and cannot attack the player so end up killing each other. Half of the kills were infighting, this was not intelligent infighting. You need to place monsters in tactical ambushes, behind corners, more tactically spaced throughout the combat rooms.
The vore ambush is a good idea but the issue is the vore spawns so far away and there is no tactical cover in the room with the vore so the only option is to shotgun snipe it from 2 rooms away. BORING.
The final Shambler ambush is good. Its an ok classic ending, but a little boring. Need to spice it up with some close range mobs to add challenge.
The monster theme is random, I don't know why random knights are in a tech base ventilation shaft, and a room full of zombies placed perfectly in grid formation. This seems lazy. Zombies belong in medieval sewers or graveyard theme. I understand the ending seems to be leading to another dimension, but then the exit portal appears in a different room with no explanation or indication it is a wind tunnel. This is confusing. Theme needs to be consistent.
Ok you have some strengths here, but needs more work. My honest opinion. Keep mapping.
To Claire Redfield:
Your opinion's great, I like it. I'll keep mapping indeed.
SurveylLance ZtateMent Extend
A new version of hc3 by me is out on Quaketastic now. Some notable differences are not by large but to be expected.
Quaketastic link: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/maps/hc3xtend.zip
I prefer calling the vised version of hc3 "hc3vis".
Because I forgot to compile the orignal version of the hc3 map using VIS, so I had to use VIS to make hc3vis.
Because I forgot to compile the orignal version of the hc3 map using VIS, so I had to use VIS to make hc3vis.
(Note: In my last post I forgot to put the number 3 in the title of the comment "Why Hcvis".)
So after making hc3vis I updated the hc3.zip file folder to include hc3vis.
Please Notice That...
..."For Hc3vis" was my 108th post, because 108 is a lucky number.
Ok Cool Thanks
.;'~ COMMENCING SPACIAL TRANSCENDENCE~';.
heres a playthrough of your other works, hexcalk.
I Watched It This Morning
Unfortunately Arceee missed out on this one because of preproduction.
Arrrcee's "Hexcalk's First 3 Maps"
Amazing! I enjoyed it well, very well. I noticed in the video's beginning that he stated that I avoid map jams entirely and release my maps individually independent from jams. Exactly right.
Continued From #30.
I've been watching Arrrcee's The Quake Grave normally and it was no surprise that he covered my first 3 maps. Yes, he'll definitely cover surveylLance (hc3).
grats hex on getting your map on GG RC! :)
Yes, I did it! It's on GG RC now! :)
Love Arrrsee's Quake Grave
I am heading home from a long day at work to watch the latest.
Hexcalk your maps are getting better and better! Congrats and just keep on mapping.
Yes, even my next map is getting better.
Hc3xtendslight: SurveylLance ZtateMent Extend Slight
Yet another new version of hc3 is out. More enforcers!
Quaketastic download: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/maps/hc3xtendslight.zip
It seems interesting that most people are not commenting about the updated versions of hc3, but there exists no doubt of Extend Slight being definitely better than preceding incarnations.
ffs, name your maps with some semblance of creativity in a "grown up" way please. And stop releasing yet another version after version of the same freakin' "my first map".
If you can't tell by now, if you yourself have the most posts in your own release thread there's something a little off about yourself, it's unnatural.
The best thing I liked about your map was it was easy to delete, just a simple .bsp, gg.
Exactly right. Now I regret making more than 1 version of my map. I'd immediately stop being the person with the most comments in this thread. Great advice by the way, damage_inc. The title didn't include anything leetspeaky, but it was misspelt, because I was criticized for not naming my maps in a "grown up" creative attitude (as in "implo1t dys3ngage"). This map's title, unfortunately, is not grown up enough.
why do you weirdly keep talking in a passive voice and make odd phrasings?
It seems interesting that most people are not commenting about the updated versions of hc3
why? why it's interesting? it's not interesting at all. it's pretty simple actually.
i want to think that you are not a native english speaker.
i'm not, btw. but i'm like "wtf?"
don't expect people to play 4 updated versions of a map if it's not a beta. "beta". it's such a basic concept, but you keep posting 4 updates of your maps after they are released.
As For Your Map...
you don't need to put curved corners in every goddamn corner of every room in the map.
your maps still have a lack a lot of consistency. it's not quite as bad as your first map, you are improving.
everything is too random for me
your maps are like this:
"You Weirdly Keep Talking In A Passive Voice And Make Odd Phrasings?"
I am a native English speaker, but I do "odd phrasings" because I need to make my words less redundant (as in using words too many multiple times in a paragraph). I make updated versions of maps in response to comments about problems in them, for instance this level was updated since someone said that it was not vised. I talked passively because I didn't want to be hostile easily. Granted this passiveness, some of my comments (for example: when I said hc0 was "good (at least somewhat)") are unreliable (at least partially).
I don't care about cartoons (Family Guy is horrible, The Simpsons is bad, Adult Swim is terrible, let's leave it at that). That's a reason why my YouTube channel user image is of Homura Akemi from the 2011 anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica. But let's not drift ourselves into off-topics.
i'm not trying to drift off-topic
i think that homer's webpage conveys very well my impression when i'm playing the map (and your previous maps)
it's random. it lacks consistency. it's random things thrown together. they don't follow visual clues and guidelines set by other quake maps. like that func_plat in the middle of slime.
as i said, it's not quite bad as before, but...
Area 51 and Discordia are consistent Quake maps. The Horde/City of Zendar uses visual clues and guidelines. czg's Terra is not random.
My review (I only played the non-yellow version linked in the first post):
There's a number of areas that serves no purpose, and at least one encounter that won't happen if the player won't go searching for the remaining enemies after having cleared the path to the exit. Missing encounters is something that usually only happens for encounters contained in secret areas, but the room of the encounter in the wall above the pool is not a secret room.
The encounter setups were usually not bad, there were a number of interesting encounters. But in some places they were undermined by the architecture, which contained paths that served no purpose at all (not an advantage point for attacking the enemies, no items to help in the battle, no buttons or triggers that need to be activated, etc.).
This shows that you lack an understanding of map navigation, which is pretty much about predicting all the different ways in how the player may try to explore the map, to make sure that the exploration will be rewarding in some way.
I don't have a problem with the amount of round corners; they would look better with phong shading, though.
There's a number of other things that could be improved, but the main point for me is the poor map navigation. Not all of it was bad - there were some points, like the air duct, which were really nice. But map navigation is something that needs to be done by taking the whole map in consideration at once; all of the individual routes must make sense in the larger picture.
Can't wait for Hc3extensionofthelastextensionwhichwasalreadyanextensiondidisayiextendedthemapimeanireallyextendeditbutforgottovisagainl0l: SurveylLance ZtateMent EXTensIon Of The Last EXTensION WhICH Was Already An EXtension Did I Say I ExtenDED The Map I MEAN I ReallY EXTENDED IT But Forgot To VIS AgaiN L0L
Can't agree more skacky. I think the overall amountness of extended releases has probably overexceeded the socially acceptable norms and behaviors. I will try to tune down the extendedness of releasingness in hc5 which will be in development as soon as hc4 exits the sub-beta mode and will be available for testing in the appropiate func messageboard posting bulletin.
Just Move On And Be Brave!
I think especially the first few maps should be left behind if mistakes happen. So you will get more attention and praise if you just move on to new maps instead of polishing. You have been improving from every single release to the next one. So practising will make you an awesome mapper overtime.
Looking forward to hexcalk4 :)
i don't want to extend and extend (lol) my comments
but with passive voice i was refering to this:
Oh Yeah, I Get The Point.
You're all right all along.
This is an AI in training.
AI In Training.
Yep, one that is less surveillance-centered than the ones at SkyNet.