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I mean I could understand all of this worry (Baker) and animosity (others, Trinca) if they had abandoned the project and dissappeared
You mean you could understand the worry after the shit hit the fan? How about making sure it doesn't while you're still at it. @ Too few coders: Most mappers are hack***coders, too. /shrug <--- final comment I just dont like hearing people taking a bashing. I fail to see how they have done anything wrong. I think it's unfair to stand there and tell everyone what a buch of useless wankers they are when really they are the opposite!
They have done a lot of good work for the SP Quake community. They aren't prepared to get into bed with everyone, they just want to do what they have been doing for their own creative bedevilment. Which is the only good reason to create anything like this. Everybody gets pissed off cause they want these guys to do things for them, and they have simply said "no" to everything which wasn't on their own agenda. Which is the only fair way of doing it. Everybody has been sooo demanding, mean, nasty, said lots of terrible things about them, and Quoth. Why?!?! If you make a map and people get pissed off cause you didnt make it the way they wanted it, and you wont give them the mapsource so they can fuck with it.... Its so, sort of selfish and ungrateful. So its easy for me to sit here and type about how I feel like they deserve a little more respect. Needless to say I fully agree with you: if players do not like what moders are providing, either just don't use it, or make your own mod... As well for mappers...
Quoth is for sure the best Quake mod ever, and even if some few people think it is not perfect, I think it is possible to live with it, as it is today.. damned it does not mean I don't want to see a Quoth3 soon ;) ! Kell / Preach, your mod rock, don't listen to them !! is also derespect ignore people emails...
and it was done from then... during base map pack... and i didn�t ask for any fucking update... just came up was inertia fault!!! and he didn�t even map... going to catch the fucking plain to put a fuclking bomb in US :p Just flapping your mouths.
The Quoth gang may or may not release their source, it's their baby. I've got my own opinions about all this. I'll just say that there already have been a couple of modified Quoth releases, and nobody complained about them. No one is omniscient. Unforeseen bad things happen. Unforeseen good things happen. If the source is available, the bad ones can't happen and the good ones can happen.
I cannot name a single closed source mod over 3 years old that is actively developed for Quake Quake will be around a very long time. --- Is Baker right? Are there no closed source mods that are still alive? The project wont die (ie source lost in the rift of time forever). Plus what Ijed was hinting at....
Hmmm. I think Baker has a valid point though. There's no harm in covering their backs, so to speak.... how many people actually intend doing something with the source code?
/me raises his hand weakly, having more or less stopped giving a shit at this point I already have 2 daughters: no way to try again for a new baby! I'm very reluctant to have another girl at home (I'm also unlucky I think...), it is already enough complicated as it is :P
.. yeah, but it is also impossible, I would not let my daughters with Trinca's sons... if hissons are as pervert as he is...
hehe :)
latins are all pervert they dont have many choises... only if they find some faget in another not latin country :p My ex wife was Creek, and I have been with women of every race, even some of them without having to pay up front! So I don't know where that is coming from.
what was the native american wedding like?
Also, quoth2: open source is good for the future. Perhaps a working compromise could be this: when the team (Necros and Kell and Preach) feels that "it's ready", whether that means that they are too tired to make new additions or that it really is complete, they can release the source to make sure it stays alive. On the qw side of things there was the ktpro mod (closed source AFAIK) but it died and now everything is done with the open KTX. And it gets updated quite often, together with MVDSV, the server executable. In fact, the coders would like more developers to help them. Also, there were some 64bit vista issues with the mod (the progs). So it's not as if mods can't give problems. Just if you want to make sure your work lives on, make it open source after a while.
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